La Liga TV Revenue Distribution: 2011-12

 

 

 

 

Numbers have been coming out for this year’s distribution of the TV revenues among the teams of La Liga. If you are reading this, you likely know where we, a blog of Sevillistas, stand on this issue. The club sails or sinks with Del Nido strapped to its bow. If nothing else, at least his rants earlier this week reached the ears (then, keyboards) of most media outlets in Spain.

The exact amounts have been hard to come by since the deals are negotiated individually and with many clauses that result in bonuses, but we’ve done our best to compile information in order to  break down how this season’s TV revenue is going to be divvied out.

Let me refer you to “Las Tablas” on the lower left for this season’s TV revenue distribution. This table also conveniently doubles as your general classification if you are curious about who is winning La Liga this season.

[In addition to this article, you might find this and this and this and this (and the comments sections) very useful.]

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36 responses to “La Liga TV Revenue Distribution: 2011-12

  1. Well other things to note in this discussion are that traditional powers other than EE, namely Valencia and Atleti, don’t fully agree with the second proposal as well. Obviously because it is in their benefit to agree with the model proposed by EE. Again I’d like to remind you guys that the collective bargaining idea was abandoned not because of EE but clubs lead by Valencia and Atleti (and Depor then I think) Everyone suffers because they couldn’t compete with EE, who benefited from the idea proposed by others.

    But one thing I guess has failed to come across from my side in all this discussion is that I want there to be a more equal sharing of revenue.

    One, because in part of how it will help top 6-8 clubs be more competitive and keep their players and not lose them to EPL which makes La Liga look bad and hence reduces the merit in winning it to an extent.

    And two because the smaller clubs in the bottom half of the table are not sustainable with the current revenues.

    My apprehension comes from the fact that most of the top 6-8 clubs do little to promote themselves, which is evident in their fan base both in Spain and abroad. They are barely accessible to foreign fanbases as I’m sure you guys have faced with Sevilla and fans of Atleti, Villareal and Valencia have been facing for the last decade. This has been so very poor that if I remember correctly just a few years back their official sites were not even in English. Then is the matter of tours etc. And then promoting them in countries whose star players you have in your team. Neither have they tried to go for the better Asian players who are at a similar level to their current squad but will bring in better TV audiences and shirt/merchandise sales. The fact that some of these teams find it hard to get shirt sponsors is a direct example of how they are not competitive enough in their branding and promotions (which will always be negotiated separately)

    And these are just the issues where they haven’t tried hard enough to get more revenues. Financial mismanagement and generally poor management overall speaks volumes for clubs like Atleti and Valencia. Who with decent enough management would be competing with EE even today. Atleti is infamous for its mismanagement so I won’t go in detail but one can see that if Valencia were not so poorly managed they wouldn’t be under massive debt and forced to sell their three main players (Mata, Silva and Villa)

    Villareal, Sevilla and to their own limits Bilbao have shown better management than those two and it is a reason why they compete at a similar level despite the “next two’s” advantages financially.

    I say, if you can’t fight on the equal sharing of revenues atleast fight on equal visibility. Have your games shown every weekend throughout the world, play good football develop a fanbase and get better revenues from sponsors. After your fanbase develops you can negotiate a better deal.

    As I said before this is being lazy and riding on EE’s coat-tails. Sure riding on the coat-tails is fine but you can be pro-active about other areas.

    Like Aaron, I’m being “Realistic”. You aren’t going to get what you want, there has to be a compromise. Do you part in other revenue aspects well (which by the way EE does better than all the other 18 teams and Madrid better than Barca) because that is your best hope.

    Realistically, what with EE suffering lesser revenues due to the incompetence of RFEF what with late kickoffs and late announcement of kickoff times etc. their access to foreign markets is limited and hence growth of revenue and coupled with financial fair play into the picture they will fight to the death for every euro.

    And even if they agree to the other plan, it does not come into effect till 2014 and till then everyone can cry ‘ligajusta’ and ‘ligademeirda’ and Scottish league all they want because EE will still be the best in Europe while the rest of La Liga will be considered even less. So there goes your new fans and sponsors.

    That’s my take on the matter and yes, we’ve discussed it enough but I just wanted to make it doubly clear that while I do want a more equitable revenue sharing, I also want responsibility from the other clubs and the FA. All this while yes as hypocritical as it sounds your best bet is to manage better than EE.

    If clubs like Lyon, Porto and Ajax have to do it why are you so special?

    • René

      Hey Cesc,

      You make some very good points. Particularly about growing a global brand and how that ties to sponsorships. No argument on any of that from me (or I’d assume anyone else), though you sound at times as if teams need to choose whether to pursue better management or fair TV rights. Both are important and they are by no means mutually exclusive. Three comments and one question/comment:

      1) I think that whatever motivated teams to go for individual bargaining back when it started is irrelevant. They made a mistake. And the current state of La Liga makes clear that it was a mistake. I’m much less interested in “how we got here” and much more interested in “how do we salvage a league that is clearly in a downward spiral?”

      2) You have talked about management, and its hard to disagree that Barca and RM are very well managed international enterprises. But because any team (and any business/enterprise/organization regardless of industry or sector) could do better by improving their operation, doesn’t negate the very very striking disparity in TV revenues. Additionally, the magnitude of that disparity is not marginal. It is immense. Sevilla could do A LOT with an extra 15 or so million per year, and in fact that extra 15 could go a long way in, say bringing in a young Mexican striker who could then improve our brand in a very big market… etc. But that’s separate, we should’ve gotten him anyway so I’m just bitching really.

      3) In the US, one of the government’s jobs is to break up monopolies. Clearly in the case of TV revenues in La Liga is controlled by the duopoly of RM and Barca. Its an inefficient outcome for everyone, but a great short-term deal those on top. Unfortunately, there isn’t a governing body with enough balls to do anything about it (or independence from the EE themselves). And the lower 18 haven’t done a good enough job organizing, as we’ve covered. Anyway, just pointing out an analogy.

      4) What portion of your team’s revenue comes from TV deals and what percentage from merchandise? I’m just curious on that split and haven’t ever heard what the actual breakdown is.

      I really enjoy hearing your perspective Cesc. Keep coming by.

      • jrmrhr

        I can’t answer #4 directly, but based on the data here https://monchismen.wordpress.com/2010/12/28/la-liga/ , Barca’s budget is (or was recently) €428 million/year. This last year Barca just barely made a profit, but they usually run on a deficit, so on average over the past several years their revenue is likely smaller than their budget, but for simplicity’s sake we’ll say it’s equal. That would mean that 140/428 or fully 1/3 of Barca’s revenue comes from TV money.

        It’s crazy that even with that kind of € advantage they had to soil the precious jersey with a sponsor; that ship is an expensive one to keep afloat.

    • Aaron

      “I say, if you can’t fight on the equal sharing of revenues at least fight on equal visibility. Have your games shown every weekend throughout the world, play good football develop a fan base and get better revenues from sponsors. After your fan base develops you can negotiate a better deal.”

      “Equal visibility” is more of an ideal than a goal. It’s a first world solution (a huge club with tons of $$ and/or a rich owner) to a second world problem (a water-treading EL/CL club). It’s a solution that only puts more obstacles in the way if you don’t have boatloads of cash. You say “have your games shown every weekend throughout the world” like it’s something the club hasn’t thought of or hasn’t wanted to make a reality all along. It’s kind of like telling poor families, “I have an idea: go find more food! It’s out there if you just look for it or work to earn it.” It simply ignores too many realities. For one, if growing in Asian markets means buying an expensive and well known Asian player or two, I don’t see how a luxury marketing signing is financially realistic when some of us lesser clubs cannot even pay our players. Perhaps the expenses could be made up in foreign revenue, but those kinds of risks would not be “good management,” as is the suggested practice.

      I’m asking this sincerely: When a foreign viewer turns on La Liga to watch a match, are they going to be drawn to a bunch of crests they’ve never seen before on the front of the jersey or to some names they may recognize on the backs of the jerseys? My point is that marketing a club means (mostly) having fans be attracted to the club. Maybe flashy jerseys or cool crests will get 10 out of 10,000 viewers, but the clubs need players, names, inherent recognition. I believe that is the main factor behind which teams can market successfully. But if buying some good players to market is what we’re talking about, we’re right back at the conversation about having an extra €15M around to buy a shining star on Mexico’s up-and-coming team, which would then give us much more visibility and marketing power in a dense foreign market.

      Dag!

      Without that TV revenue we can’t make lots of signings that would make us more visible. Well, I’ll be damned! I really thought we were going to talk about something only tangential to TV revenue sharing! Guess it is all related from where I stand. : )

      Back to my point: When RM landed in Beijing this summer, the crowds weren’t chanting “Hala Madrid.” They were chanting “Cristianooooo!!” The majority didn’t even seem to be Madrid fans; they were Cristiano fans.

      In short: players move the market and viewer interest, and money moves players.

    • jrmrhr

      “If clubs like Lyon, Porto and Ajax have to do it why are you so special?”

      I don’t think anyone is claiming being “special” as a reason for getting TV revenue. The thing is, clubs like those you mentioned ARE getting a fair piece of their respective leagues’ revenue. And what’s more, all those teams have a realistic hope of actually winning their league every year, so fans have a reason to watch, and the teams actually have something to promote. In your view, apparently Zaragoza (for example) should be more aggressively promoting themselves to new fans, and THEN we can talk about TV money. Promote what, though? Let’s try to write that team’s ad campaign:

      “Hey, come follow our team! You’ll LOVE the absolute lack of stars or recognizable faces! Immerse yourself in our history of never having won anything! Thrill at the experience of following a team that absolutely zero chance of even competing for the league championship! Watch every transfer season with the knowledge that we can’t even pay our players, so we DEFINITELY won’t be signing anyone you’re interested in!”

      Hm…needs a slogan. Something that grabs the potential new fan, gives them a sense of urgency. Let’s see here..

      “We’re continually getting worse, so now is literally the best time to become a fan!”™

      Yup, that ought to do it.

      You seem to think other teams are being lazy or “haven’t tried hard enough” to get more money and fans, but have you considered how tough the sell is when the biggest draw is “…uh…we play Barcelona and Real Madrid twice a year. Our shitty team will be ON THE SAME FIELD as good players four times every year!”? It would be absolutely foolhardy for the LFP to take your stance, and say “first, you guys get good at having money, and then you can have money.”

      Anyway, sorry if we’re all piling on here; I hope we haven’t precluded you responding to these points just by having so many responses. As Rene said, it’s great that you stop by and share your views. I wish more Barca fans were interested in discussing the issue, but in general they seem to shrink from the topic, which I completely understand; I wouldn’t want my team’s greatest accomplishments minimized, either.

      • jrmrhr

        Ha, no sooner do I write that last paragraph than the folks at Barcelona Football Blog write a post about TV revenue, and even throw us a shout-out. I don’t agree with everything Kxevin says in the article, and some of the facts are wrong, but still; clearly Barca fans are willing to discuss the issue. I stand corrected at least by a factor of 1, until the comments start pouring in. : )

  2. “This table also conveniently doubles as your general classification if you are curious about who is winning La Liga this season.”

    however, I have been told that any correlation between the two tables is mere coincidence. for example, if barca is on top of the actual table, that should be seen as a result of good coaching and skill, not that they have ten times the tv revenue of half their competition.

  3. A few things I’ll address here:

    Most of the people who I know who follow La Liga all love Villareal, me included. It is because of their style of play rather than their players. But it is hard to follow them because not all their games all shown on telly, it’s a quite club so lack of news, what is there is mostly in spanish. They are not ‘talked about’ often enough. That’s what I mean by visibility and accessability. I’m sure you guys also have a tough time following Sevilla, watching games and getting news.

    “If clubs like Lyon, Porto and Ajax have to do it why are you so special?”
    What I meant by this is buying low and selling high, good scouting etc. Hypocritical to ask of others but a reality of the current situation.

    The fair sharing of TV revenues is not the issue of discussion, it should be done. Period. But till then something can be done.

    BTW Deigo Forlan came to India and had a magnificent reception, what’s to say the likes of Kanoute, Fabiano and Navas won’t? Where do you guys do your pre-season tours? Do you go to your players’ home countries?

    Regarding buying Asian players, I meant buy them instead of european/african ones. They don’t have any higher wages if espanyol can afford to get one or two then anyone can. Their level is also now good enough.

    “I think that whatever motivated teams to go for individual bargaining back when it started is irrelevant.”
    It should be but since everyone makes it seem that Barca and Madrid are openly exploiting their power to have separate negotiation which is wrong. It was not EE but other clubs. They used their growing power to go separate. EE just turned out winners. So if you do the blame game remember whose fault it is.

    I look forward and try to stay realistic, I like the other big teams in La Liga, (Love Villareal, enjoy Valencia occasionally, love bilbao’s heart, Atleti are hilarious and used to really enjoy Sevilla till Juande left)
    I want them to get better than all the others in Europe. But if a man is used to earning a certain salary he will loth to reduce it. It’s going to take something extraordinary or a ruling by the authorities to do it at a decent level. And even then you have to wait till 2014 atleast.

    Personally I find the services provided by the big-clubs-other-than-EE lacking, it may be otherwise but that’s my personal experience. And Having a strong internet presence costs little. Coming to big markets but small in football countries will earn big revenues. Estimates would put it at a million euros going till around three.

    Not to mention truckloads of media attention and they’ll probably gain a fan or two. And really it’s not that hard not everyone is attracted to big names only, if your football brings joy then it will gain fans.

    Finally, I see your points, they are all valid and logical. Everything I said is very difficult and clubs will have to be creative and lucky to pull these off but just like I assume they haven’t tried this you guys assume they’ve explored these probabilities.

    Regarding Rene’s #4 check out deloitte’s football money league. Very interesting read. Pay special attention to Bundesliga clubs’ breakup and see how much more they earn in commercial and matchday. They are revolutionizing the revenue options clubs think of and I just wonder, why can’t Liga clubs try that?

    • Aaron

      Good post. Good to have you coming ’round, Cesc!

      • I’ve always been saying that it should be done, from my very first post! But the thing is I don’t have many hopes of it happening and all I was saying is that the other clubs should make lemonade from the lemons they get.

        Plus while negotiating together the others can focus on non-revenue things and get a better deal on visibility and heck, maybe even push RFEF to be atleast semi-competent.

      • Rene

        Hahah! Cesc! Obviously, by virtue of you being here you care about teams other than barca and RM. I’m cynical about the likelihood of progress too, but I think things are passing a critical point where it has become obvious just how broken the system is.

        Tv revenues are just one piece of the puzzle among many, but it is a very very big (and possibly the biggest) piece.

        International break sucks.

      • Rene

        I’d add that while some or many might villify del nido, his arguments are finding an increasingly receptive audience and, if anything gets done, will deserve A LOT of credit.

        Also, go read that barca blog post or those who haven’t. Very good post and summary.

        Ps. Sergio Ramos can go f himself with his comment about sevilla needing to find another league. Can or have we already disowned him from our clubs history?

      • Aaron

        Since so many fans are upset with the current set up, maybe they’ll also go find another league. Who will pay for your eyebrow waxing then, chulo-boy!

    • Actually Villarreal have a better official English presence than many clubs in Spain, and are upgrading it . As well as our VillarrealUSA site, which covers the team in English.
      Not having all the games televised is a problem, yes. And I agree it would be great if clubs like Villarreal could tour the US just as the big two do.
      Part of the problem to increasing commercial revenues is the fragmented nature of Spain, I think. You’re right that clubs should do this but frankly Barca and Madrid dominate the airwaves and discussion so much it’s tough to attract business…

  4. Thanks for the kind words, all. jrmrhr, if I have some facts funky, do swing by and point them out, and I will fix the piece, for the record. I make no secret of my detestation of numbers and all things attached to them, being a word nerd. Ask a journalist what 2+2 is, and he’ll need a calculator. That’s me.

    @Rene, anybody who villifies Del Nido is crazy. I wouldn’t want to negotiate a transfer with him ever again in life, but he knows how to run a football club. No question about that. And Sergio Ramos is a douche. Full-on. He’s rather typical of the kind of person who doesn’t analyze things to a degree sufficient to keep from putting his foot in his mouth. If Del Nido gets his way, the Liga gets richer, and collectively stronger.

    And there’s no better time for this. 10 years ago, when I would rock my Barca shirts, nobody paid a lick of attention. Two years ago, it suddenly started. Last year, a high school-age cashier at Whole Foods giggled and said, “I LOVE Barca!” And this year, it’s just crazy.

    That’s just a sign of what exposure can do. Just think what might happen if this league and its best clubs were actually marketed properly. Wishing “Quixote” Del Nido the best….

    • jrmrhr

      Hey Kxevin, I was the one who posted as MonchisMen…wasn’t talking about any big factual issues, just the stuff I wrote at BFB about exactly how Del Nido is arguing that the revenue be divided, which as I said over there, I figured you KNEW, but left out so that you didn’t have an algebra formula taking over your post. It’s a sort of fine point, but I’ve run into a fair number of Barca fans who shout “SOCIALISTS!!!” if you say you want the revenue shared equally instead of “fairly” or “more evenly”.

      My favorite Ramos pictures and a good dose of Ramos mockery are found here. Haha, love making fun of that guy. The memory of his surpriseface after the US picked his pocket and scored in the Confederations Cup will make me smile in even my darkest moments. The money his sale brought in probably helped pay for Kanouté AND Luis Fabiano, but sometimes I wish he wasn’t one of our canteranos. What a douche.

      • Aha! Cool. Thanks for that. I think that most thoughtful Barca fans are for revenue sharing and yes, at some point numbers get in the way of the message. But the myth that sharing will dilute our sporting mission is the purest nonsense.

        A stronger Liga lifts everyone.

        We should also be very careful not to kill any goodwill. The thing about waves is that they ebb, then recede. If Guardiola leaves, or a couple of wrong foot plants happen, suddenly we’re second place and built to stay that way.

  5. René

    yo guys, i dont know how to put it into our blog, but we really gotta get up some “friends of monchi’s men links” on the sidebar. this barca one, the losche valencia blog, there was that real madrid one, the betis one that was on the podcast with us… can any of you do that?

  6. René

    nice! id only recommend that you change “friendly enemies” to “frenemies” 🙂

    • smurf_ette

      @Mike

      To be fair currently Barca and RM have reasonably small teams. Yes, it’s primarily because we loan out (or fire sale) a lot of our players, but Canales is at Valencia and Leon at Getafe, our cantera also supplies quite a few players to all Liga teams. (see… we ARE nice! lol). The players we currently have should all get decent minutes this season, which is great!

      But, I really am hoping for a positive outcome to this meeting and any re-negotiations. A little more money to the other teams won’t hurt Barca or RM, and more competition in the long run is better for us too. First of all because 36 non-competitive games and 2 fights to the death doesn’t make for fab viewing all year round. And secondly, because the CL is what we want, and if we don’t play tough matches all year round it will eventually make playing and winning in the CL harder and harder .

      A better distribution deal is better for everyone. I can’t deny I think Del Nido is insane but in this case I hope he does accomplish something and wish this “movement” and Sevilla well. 🙂

  7. smurf_ette

    As a Madridista I’d like to point out that a lot of RM fans also understand that the huge disparity in tv revenue is not necessarily a good thing.

    I’m hard-pressed to see a way out of this disparity because at the end of the day, RM and Barca earn such a high % of the pot due to their popularity in world-wide markets which drives global viewership. Unfortunately even before TV revenues helped make the rich, richer (all though debateable given debt levels) Barcelona and RM were still the most successful teams in Spain and Europe, so while the vast sums of the TV money help, they don’t change anything.

    The argument above that the money doesn’t really change anything puts me, for one, in favour of a more equitable distribution of the cash. Especially as Madrid’s cash flow is pretty equally split between match day revenue, merchandizing and TV (if I recall correctly) and so we aren’t reliant upon it.

    More equal distribution would hopefully allow other Liga clubs to manage their accounts better and pay their players. That should be the first goal. So many clubs being in administration is an embarrassment. La Liga clubs need to put better financial administration as a priority. Without that an extra 10 million (example) won’t help, in fact the extra money probably wouldn’t even initially impact the squad all that much (aside from to hopefully pay back wages) as the money shouldn’t go towards purchasing better players or facilities… it should go to paying off debts.

    As such, while I think more equitable distribution is a good thing and as a RM fan, I wouldn’t even mind if we lowered out cut by 10-15%, I don’t believe there would be any immediate increase in the competitiveness of other squads. The extra money would take a really long time to impact the league and by then RM and Barca would have continued to dominate and capture fans… making the whole thing circular because if those two drive demand for La Liga, they will always hold the negotiation reigns and they will always make the most money.

    However, as stated if there was a different distribution scheme in place and after a few years the extra money helped make a few more teams more competitive that would be something I (and quite a few other RM fans) would look forward to.

    p.s. Sergio Ramos is awesome :-p

    • René

      welcome!

      i think you’re right that the most critical and tangible difference will be to prevent a bunch of teams from going under. which is most important and directly consequential for ALL teams in the league.

      but i think you’re underestimating what an extra 10-15 million could do for teams. as someone mentioned earlier, it doesnt mean that osasuna is suddenly going to give RM a run for their money when they go and sign the next coentrao, but they might be able to hang on to nacho monreal (who was signed for around 6) and maybe make another small pick up.

      on sergio ramos… let’s just agree to disagree 🙂

      • Sam

        Lol… that’s fine we’re happy with Ramos. 🙂

        I do get that an extra 10-15 million a year would help the other clubs, especially the ones a little below RM and Barca (Sevilla, Villarreal, Athletico, Valencia, Athletic etc). But (for example) an extra 10,000,000 a club would mean 180,000,000 to be found — Madrid and Barca would never give so much up — as that would represent a 64% decrease on their current earnings 😮

        If (for example) you dropped RM and Barca’s share — so that their combined share was 24% of the roughly 820 million pot. That would mean 80 million extra for the clubs with 18 clubs that is only 4.5 million a club (if split equally). I’m not sure such an amount would help clubs hang onto their “stars” or “potential stars.” But it would help pay salaries.

        However, Del Nido isn’t fighting so hard to revolutionize the rights distribution so that all 18 clubs below RM and Barca can get an equal cut, as such the ones who really need it, the clubs in administration, are still not going to get a whole lot of extra money.

        Instead, RM and Barca will still get the lion’s share by virtue of being the main viewership draws and by most likely continuing to occupy spots 1 and 2. The only thing I see changing is that the fight for spots 3,4, and 5 become more intense as the other top teams will fight harder in order to get a slightly larger cut based on table position.

        Personally, I’m in favour of anything that makes the league more competitive. As a RM fan, I miss the days, when we actually had movement in our league position year on year (and drama! I’m also in favour of anything that helps bring Barca back down to earth hehe). But with the way the current deal has been signed, I don’t see any great change happening as that would require RM and Barca to give up too significant a portion of their tv earnings to facilitate the change, and despite Del Nido’s actions I think their bargaining position is still too strong. May be not, but whatever they give up probably still won’t be enough to re-dress the problems of this league.

      • smurf_ette

        Sorry the below is me… smurf_ette

      • René

        hey smurfette,

        great comment, and its a good reminder to look more closely at the numbers (which ive been lazy about doing). but looking at it quickly (and half-assedly) i think a lot comes down to some assumptions.

        1) at least the barca blog was saying it could well be around 900 million euro tv contract by 2014 when it would be enacted. so looking at what we have this year as around 650… that means about 250 million more euros available. toss 15 to barca and RM each, and thats still 220 million for the lower 18… or to account for estimates being way off which they probably are.

        2) great point that its actually a graduated scheme, so that the teams on the bottom wont be making near the 15 extra that a third place finisher could make… but id think that your 4.5 estimate was a bit low.

        3) what annoys me is that it is such an absurdly inequitable starting point that whatever comes out will still be wildly inequitable. i dont believe that barca or RM should be entitled to having such an absurd disparity preserved any longer. but the reality is that thye are the biggest draw and do have a lot of leverage… so we’ll see.

        anyway, that isnt really a worthy response to your post. really i need to look more closely at the actual proposal, and that involved clickign on a link. which, at 1am, seems like an inordinately challenging obstacle.

      • smurf_ette

        I’m hoping this comments to your latest comment, if not that’s the one I want to reply to… :-s

        I completely agree with your 3rd point. The huge disparity means that whatever happens RM and Barca are still going to earn loads more and it’s not “fair.”

        HOWEVER, to play devil’s advocate for a moment:

        Whatever the presiding opinion of RM and Barca is on this blog (and I can guess! heh), it probably can’t be denied that they bring prestige and interest to La Liga. They bring viewers.

        RM and Barca maintain their success and allure by being successful (sadly lately more Barca than RM) and having the most exciting players. This was true for Barca even before the golden generation and once this time passes will continue to be true as they will buy again. Same with Madrid we will always buy AND produce. Arguably without the money Barca and RM (maybe not us with our interest-free never pay back loans… hee. oh wait FFP has put a stop to that.. grr. lol) won’t be able to buy the Cristianos, Zidanes, Ronaldinhos, and Alveses of the world. Barca may not be able to afford to pay it’s best youth products so much money, and some will leave…

        IF RM and Barca can’t collect (just for funsies) the best players in the world, the vast majority of people who pay lots of money for subscription TV, just to watch Messi, Cristiano, Ozil, Iniesta etc will stop paying it. In a way the League will suffer because RM and Barca suffer. I have no idea to what extent but the increasing pool of TV money is primarily down to the success of both teams. If they can no longer afford to continue this success, it’s possible the pot diminishes which means the negotiated higher percentages mean a lot less.

        Again… though, whatever the outcome I fully expect RM and Barca to continue out-earning to a disgusting degree the other Liga clubs so the above is moot, but I really do believe, that while it isn’t fair, and both teams (cough Barca) should be fiscally more responsible… the status of La Liga and it’s potential to make TV money bank now, is primarily dependent on RM and Barca. Not healthy, not right, but true.

      • mikesfc

        A couple of thoughts re: smurf_ette’s post above:

        The only direction tv rights deals are going is up. This ceiling of this deal will represent the floor for the next; the overall pot will be larger and continue to grow with each successive deal. And somehow, I’m pretty sure that both of the EE will be able to trot out a collection of talent suitable to keep the viewers of the world interested even with slightly smaller percentage of the overall pie. All I would like is for our side to perhaps be able to consider the purchase of a player and have it be a valid option rather than said player going to one of the EE for a few million Euros more just to pick splinters from his behind. Maybe, just maybe, it might be more fun and interesting to viewers worldwide to see some of those players who currently occupy expensive bench space at Barca or Real actually on a pitch, and on TV. I’m not talking about the Kakas of the world, but players along the lines of Leon or Canales.

        I don’t expect to compete with Barca and Real for the Ronaldos, the Zidanes, or the Ronaldinhos of the world. However, I would like to maybe try to build a team around one of those players that the EE do collect for ‘depth’, or “funsies” as it were.

  8. jrmrhr

    This is old and somewhat off-topic news (or rather, this story started a couple weeks ago but is still ongoing), but if you haven’t been following the radio story, here’s a decent summary.

    Basically, Mediapro (the TV company that owns the rights to most if not all Liga teams’ games) has told all the Liga clubs that they don’t want radio stations at the stadium airing the game, because why compete with other media when you could destroy it? Mediapro has further announced that they will cut 30% off the TV contract of any team that lets a radio broadcasting company into their stadium on game day. In the first week, every home team club capitulated but Sevilla, who you get the sense would be mortally wounded by boredom if they ceased being the wrench in some greedy person’s plans at all times.

    Sorry to bang the same drum again, but if you read that paragraph and it didn’t occur to you that the clubs (and, you know, THE FANS) would be very strongly aided by a collective bargaining position or that NOT having that position is allowing other more unified businesses to walk all over our beloved Liga…well, you don’t understand business very well, but on the plus side you’re totally qualified to run La Liga.

    Great last quote from the linked article:

    “Be very careful with the golden goose. Because maybe what spanish football really needs is a strike from the fans.”

  9. Hey guys! your coverage of this issue has been complete. I will add a link to this post to our post http://forzafutbol.com/2011/09/fernando-roig-interview-tv-revenues-other-problems.html the full transcript of Villarreal president Fernando Roig’s brilliant interview to Cope on this topic a few days ago. Btw People are still downloading the Seville Derby podcast! you guys are awesome! 🙂

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